Hi Folks,
We're new here and are on the threshold of ordering a new Scamp 13' layout 1. Normally Scamp can refer potential buyers to people willing to show their trailer. But COVID-19 has put a damper on that, both in terms of the owners and in terms of Scamp having the ability to find anyone. Is there anyone within a couple of hours of southern Illinois who would be willing to let us see yours?
Also, does anyone know what the r-value is of the walls or what Scamp rates it at? One place I saw said 15 and a user on Fiberglass RV says it's 1.5, which sounds unlikely.
Thanks a bunch!
The R value used by Scamp is the R value when properly installed in a house wall cavity.
In real life it is a fraction of that.The values utilized in Reflectix® R-value calculations for Interior “Air Films” are as follows: Reflective side of product: R-1.32 Up (roof)• R-1.70 Horizontal (wall). White side of Product: R-0.61 Up (roof)• R-0.68 Horizontal (wall).
Thanks for the image and info. Oh wow, the reflectix is nearly useless in this application because it has no airspace, which is an improper installation, period. I wonder what the fiberglass and marine carpet are rated at. Maybe it does all add up to 1.5. I'm guessing now that stick style campers are warmer with batt insulation. One manufacturer of a stick build type quoted R-8.
Wago N Jessica
southern Illinois
The reflectix is minimal at 2 or less for sure but it is something and the relatively sealed interior is helpful. I cant think of many if any stick campers that use anything but styrofoam and do a marginal job at that. Batt insulation is notorious for getting wet and holding moisture that rots the wood and paneling. So we are stuck with an imperfect world. I have owned and fixed both types and found the stick builds often have gaps and spaces that are not helpful. We have done ok down to 23 deg in our Scamp 13 but the windows are the next weak link in the cold war and had frost on them that was as much of the cause of drafty feeling as anything. I had a lance slide in camper and the cold weather option had thermo pain windows but they did not open enough to be comfortable in warm /hot weather.
2019 Scamp 13 standard
Thanks Salukispeed. Indeed, it is at least something. We were considering awhile ago a Taylor Coach and they use something similar to batt insulation and had claimed R-8 to R-9. I'm guessing my desire to camp in extreme cold is more of a novelty rather than something we'll do in practice, given we don't want to tow on potentially frozen roads and we don't want to get stuck somewhere. Truth is, because of where we live, it is a short drive to cool places in the summer and warm places in the winter and we're more likely to find ourselves in hot places. I'm deciding not to worry about it too much. We'll put custom reflective insulation over the windows and their frames on the inside and will make sure the fridge area is sealed well. I also make old-fashioned braided wool rugs so I'll make one for the floor in cold weather.
Just curious but is your name Salukispeed referencing the SIUC Salukis at all?
Wago N Jessica
southern Illinois
We had a friend that was involved in the Saluki rescue and we enjoyed the breed mannerisms and uniqueness though not for everyone. But managed to find a Puppy from a liter in Michigan. Also we had friends in Carbondale near the university. We just recently lost our girl after 14 1/2 years.
Good insulation would help with both heat and AC concerns. We Are more Decent weather campers and try to limit our trips between April 1st and late October so the Scamp works well for us.
2019 Scamp 13 standard
I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your dog from your family. That is so hard. We will probably camp between March and November. The weather is so unpredictable these days anyway, we might end up out on a warm January day. We are putting our deposit down today and realize we can change a lot of details between now and when production starts. That will help my learning curve considerably. Lead time is mid July 2021. I really hope we can get it before the fall semester starts.
Wago N Jessica
southern Illinois
Scamp says R15 on the website: https://www.scamptrailers.com/showroom/13-standard-trailers
Even tho we are a Scamp fan, I think the claim that in insulation is R15 is marketing gone wrong. Scamps are a 2 1/2 season maybe 3 season camper; anything more and you are either dry camping or have done extensive modifications. Just saying...
Well I can say our 5vers AC keeps our unit quite cool in NW FL even in 96* and 85% humidity, but that's plugged in to shore power and I would imagine that a small electric heater would do quite a job of keeping the scamp warm.
I agree with Snapoversteer. The AC can keep the Scamp cool in some very hot weather. Also, an electric heater can keep a Scamp toasty in cold weather. I carry a small electric heater and have used it below freezing. If I am hooked up to electricity, I use the electric heater instead of the furnace. The Scamp is insulated well enough that it retains your body heat. It also helps if you have a dog and a cat generating heat, too! You will only need to add an extra blanket or quilt in cold weather. The only reservations that I would have camping in a Scamp in the winter is driving on snow or icy roads or getting stranded in a snow storm. However, I wouldn't have water in the tanks or lines because the water could freeze and crack something. Scamps are sealed quite well.
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